I meant to post this sooner but have been swamped at work.
Thanks for everyone's comments on the last post. RecessRampage got so fired up about the hand that he even posted a detailed analysis on his blog.
I specifically posted the hand for thoughts on the best play on the river, but got a lot of comments about my bet sizes preflop, flop, and turn.
A breakdown my street
PREFLOP
Full Tilt Poker Game $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: danishdude ($162.40)
Seat 2: IRunSoGood ($1,030.50) - roughly 250 BB deep effective stacks
Seat 3: eb226 ($400)
Seat 4: ConstantColorUp ($853.10)
Seat 5: cmitch ($1,347.40)
Seat 6: SkyzZik ($783)
cmitch posts the small blind of $2
SkyzZik posts the big blind of $4
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cmitch [Ac Ah] - Obviously nice to get, especially since I had been 3 betting from the blinds quite a bit (mainly due to actually getting good hands in the blinds)
danishdude folds
IRunSoGood raises to $14 - Standard opening range
ConstantColorUp folds
cmitch raises to $46 -I probably should have raised more here given that we are so deep.
SkyzZik folds
IRunSoGood calls $32
I posted the hand in the cardrunner forums and Brian Townsend posted a very good response.
His thoughts preflop:
"I would reraise to at least 60 preflop with these deep stacks and with you being out of position."
FLOP
*** FLOP *** [5c 4c Jc]
cmitch bets $65
IRunSoGood calls $65
I got some comments about betting bigger on the flop but I had my reasons for the bet size.
I wouldn't normally bet this small with this strong of a hand on a flop like that, but the villain had been re-raising my continuation bets quite a bit. I felt like the small bet might induce him to re-raise me and allow me to put in a 3rd bet.
The smooth call could almost mean anything here. KcKx, QcQx, AJs, flopped flush, set, etc, etc. I really think that he would raise a set here though to see where he stands.
TURN
*** TURN *** [5c 4c Jc] [9h] - Pot Size ($226)
cmitch bets $125
IRunSoGood calls $125
This is where I butchered the hand. I should have bet something along the lines of $180-$200 given our stack sizes. I don't agree at all with check/calling here as Alan (RR) suggested. It seems weak in this spot and a good player that had a strong enough hand to continue this far is going to be betting almost every time.
I got a few other comments about the turn, but most of them were pretty much along the lines of "You should have bet more on the turn."
Brian Townsend's had an interesting thought on the turn bet:
"and as you mentioned the turn bet should be larger. This is also a nice spot to check raise the turn. If you had bet closer to pot on the flop the stack sizes would have worked better for a turn check raise. "
RIVER
*** RIVER *** [5c 4c Jc 9h] [Js]
cmitch bets $225
IRunSoGood raises to $794.50, and is all in - Insta-shove
cmitch has 15 seconds left to act
cmitch has requested TIME - I'm obviously folding but hated to do it.
Uncalled bet of $569.50 returned to IRunSoGood
IRunSoGood mucks
IRunSoGood wins the pot ($923)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $926 | Rake $3
Board: [5c 4c Jc 9h Js]
Seat 1: danishdude didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: IRunSoGood collected ($923), mucked
Seat 3: eb226 is sitting out
Seat 4: ConstantColorUp (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: cmitch (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: SkyzZik (big blind) folded before the Flop
Even though I played the hand poorly on the flop and turn, I feel like I made the right decision on the river.
There were several people that said I should check/call the river, but I don't like that line as I said in a comment on Alan's post:
Alan's comment - "I check and decide depending on what the villain does. If the villain bets half the pot, I would be compelled to call. Could it be a value bet? Sure. But again, it's really hard to put him on a J here and if that's what he has, I'll pay half the pot."
My response - "Wouldn't it be better to just fire out a half the pot size bet if you are planning to call a half pot size bet? This way you are deciding how much to put in on the river. He can't raise with a worse hand, so if he raises you are pretty much beat. He probably isn't checking a better hand behind either. "
I think most people were thinking along the same lines as me between the comments, the CR forum and a 2+2 post. I had comments of betting anywhere between $175-$325 on the river and folding to a shove.
Based on the insta-shove, I think that the guy probably flopped a set or possibly flopped a flush.
I appreciate everyone's comments. It really helped me analyze the hand and hopefully I can play it differently when I am the same spot again.
Since my Nano is on it's last legs, I ordered the IPod Touch (16 GB) from the Full Tilt Poker store on December 1st and it looks like it will finally arrive tomorrow. FTP said 6-8 weeks when I shelled out 89,000 points to order it. I decided to email them early last week when I hadn't heard anything and got the following response:
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