I am questioning my play on my final hand of the $109 Satellite to the $1k WSOP Super Sat on FTP last night. I think that I played it very poorly. We were down to 7 players with 3 seats to the $1k Super Sat and much smaller money for 4-6. I was pretty much veiwing it is just top 3 getting paid instead of top 6.
I had a pretty tight image at the FT because I had been very card dead and the few times that I considered entering the pot preflop there was a large raise before me. I had been extremely active when we got short handed at my previous table and I'm sure that a few of players knew that I could open things up with less than premium hands (seat 2 included).
I had an M of a little more than 8 but we were getting short handed and the blinds were about to increase.
Any thoughts on how I could have played this different are appreciated.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2133486131: Satellite to WSOP $1K Thursday (15677012), Table 1 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:50:36 ET - 2007/04/03
Seat 2: giverofbadbeats (8,463)
Seat 3: Freddieh (4,510)
Seat 4: cmitch (5,322)
Seat 5: Super Rock (13,062)
Seat 6: lucko21 (9,982) - He won his seat to the Super Sat - BTW
Seat 7: KramerTM (11,531)
Seat 9: littlecreeck6 (5,630)
giverofbadbeats antes 25
Freddieh antes 25
cmitch antes 25
Super Rock antes 25
lucko21 antes 25
KramerTM antes 25
littlecreeck6 antes 25
littlecreeck6 posts the small blind of 150
giverofbadbeats posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cmitch [9c 9d]
Freddieh folds
cmitch raises to 900 - Standard
Super Rock folds
lucko21 folds
KramerTM folds
littlecreeck6 folds
giverofbadbeats calls 600
*** FLOP *** [8s 5d Jd]
giverofbadbeats checks
cmitch checks - probably the worst thing that I could do here. I am guessing a half pot raise would have been best. I could then possibly fold to an all-in re-raise after committing 1,900 +/- of my 5,300 chips??
*** TURN *** [8s 5d Jd] [7s]
giverofbadbeats bets 1,400 - Should have sent warning bells, but he could be making same type bet with air or more likely a flush draw because of my check on the flop.
cmitch raises to 4,397, and is all in - I now have a double gutshot straight draw and two 9s. I also could be ahead if he has a flush draw. I am not worried about an overpair because this player would have re-raised me preflop. The only hands that I am worried about are a Jack or a small set. I don't think that 910 is very likely. If he has a Jack without the flush draw then I still have 10 outs (four 6s, four 10s, and two 9s). My only choice IMO here is to fold or push. Anyone think different? Thoughts on calling, folding, pushing?
giverofbadbeats calls 2,997
cmitch shows [9c 9d]
giverofbadbeats shows [Js As] - yeah worst possible hand for me. I am now drawing to 7 outsinstead of 10.
*** RIVER *** [8s 5d Jd 7s] [3d]
cmitch: ooops - oops is right
cmitch shows a pair of Nines
giverofbadbeats shows a pair of Jacks
giverofbadbeats: gg
giverofbadbeats wins the pot (10,919) with a pair of Jacks
lucko21: gg (translation - ty for giving him your chips because he is going to give them to me when I get KK against his 1010.)
cmitch: gg
cmitch stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,919 Rake 0
Board: [8s 5d Jd 7s 3d]
Seat 2: giverofbadbeats (big blind) showed [Js As] and won (10,919) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: Freddieh folded before the Flop
Seat 4: cmitch showed [9c 9d] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 5: Super Rock folded before the Flop
Seat 6: lucko21 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: KramerTM (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: littlecreeck6 (small blind) folded before the Flop
I am thinking that there are several places that I could have gotten away from this hand. There were probably a lot of different ways to play the hand, but it might be hard to avoid going broke because of the two flush draws out there.
Any thoughts welcome. Please feel free to call me a donk.
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Checking TPTK out of position is textbook. I might have just called and folded the river but you would have been down to 10BB then.
Fuel55
11:19 AM
i think unless u just had one of I'm beat on this flop and check fold out of the hand....you have to fire something on the flop.
You could have even min bet to see what the guy does behind if he just calls then u gather info and plays from there. The worst thing you could have done is check b/c now u have zero information on what he has. I would have bet a little less then half then slowed down if necessary...
Pseudo_Doctor
1:54 PM
IMHO: Your mistake was pre-flop. Making a standard 3X when antes are added makes the pre pot now 1525 and BB can complete (600) getting 2.54-1 and thus needs to be only 28% to call (i.e. any 2). This is only 7% of his stack, and u UTG +1 raising only 1.44X pot, he puts u on big range, maybe even a steal, or more likely 66-TT, AQ+. If u just push, there is only a 12.5% chance anyone has a bigger pr behind you (in which case u are 18-82%) and any AT-AK, KQ+ that calls u r 55-45%. So u are behind 12.5% of the time and a favorite 87.5% of the time, That does not include the fold equity u have by pushing. The only reasonable hands that can call u then are QQ-AA (poss JJ) or AK. Why would the bigger stack call with AQ, AJ, or AT when he could be dominated or a small dog to any pr. Does he want to race at this point with AJs?? You could also raise to 1900, thus giving villan choice of only 1.5-1 (40% equity to call) and having to call off 19% of his chipstack to call your raise. By raising the 900 your M went from 8.5 to 7. By raising 1900 your M would go from 8.5 to 5.5, so still some play left. By raising 900 you put yourself in a precarious situation if called or re-raised (do u call then??, if so, why didn't u just push??) since any overcard to your 99 will hit the flop about 80% of the time. And any tricky opponent can be making a stop n go with any 2 here and either raise your C bet or fire out (which he did) on the flop after you check. Once he bet you could only fold as his most likely holding was AJ, KJ, QJ, JT or air. If the flop had come 85Q, then he probably checks it down with u, but since he bet with TPTK or Air u still have M of 7 if u fold and lots of time to show your superior play. If you were going to call his bet or re-raise, why not just push on the flop?? U knew you were beat when u called his 1400 bet ignoring his "stealth jack". GL at the tables.
Anonymous
3:43 PM
I think your analysis is right on. A bet on the flop may have saved your stack. Give him credit for disguising his hand.
Golden
9:55 AM
I think u should have raised a bit more preflop like 1k, due to antes, as well as given ur are in early position.
Other then that I don't hate checking the flop, however, I 98.7749% of the time fire a bet on flop. If opp calls a J is very likely here, if he shoves u can decide if he's semi bluffing or what not. The reason i say i dont hate ur flop check is because it makes it very difficult to be blown off ur hand by a draw then. If ur beat by a J he isn't folding so checking isn't a bad option cause ur already beat.
Once he bets the turn, you are again faced with a tough decision, however i think you chose the worst one of out of the 3 imo. I would very often call here against a standard opponent, and fold to a tight opp. reasons being, 1) if he has a J ur beat and ur gonna get called, and also, if he does have a Jack and a flush is completed on the river, you can a) use that to bluff him off his Jack, or b) get to showdown very cheaply because he will most likely check when the flush gets there. 2) if he bets river u can fairly easily fold with decent certainty ur beat.
this is mostly ramblings but i dont like a shove, you only get called by hands that beat you.
thaREALdmoney
12:08 PM